Randal, what appeals to most about FriendFeed? I certainly see
some nice things about it but I don't see Jaiku and FriendFeed
exclusive of each other. Is this just a case of not being able to
be everywhere? I certainly agree with that problem!
Shows how much I keep track of these things. I'm always so
behind on things. :(
I wanted to get my cook friend to go to the open auditions for
Top Chef in L.A. but now I found out they happened two months ago,
forgot totally to look up the dates.
Unless the great mass of people I have met and enjoy here on
Jaiku move then Jaiku will be a part of my routine for a long time
to come, I should think. But I am open minded about the other
places sprouting up. It would be nice to see Twitter die though.
:)
friendfeed has most of what I like about jaiku, and one thing
that jaiku lacks: people can join friendfeed. :)
Also, Leo Laporte is now liking friendfeed, which means the world
of many of my friends will also be there.
all of the next-new-things don't solve the problem with any of
the existing services (scale,
comparmentalization/context/filtering, offline app support, etc.)
so I think the bunny hop continues.
I have an account at Friendfeed but I rarely use it. It's just
never really appealed to me that much. Though Scoble is advocating
it, so it must be good right? :D @edythemighty is right though,
it's the friends that are the important part. I'm disappointed with
Jaiku myself, but as long as the people I've made friends with are
still here I'll keep on using it.
Damn, now I'm starting to sound like a Twitter user...
I was also thinking 'bout Scoble and similar "celebrities" and
the sheeple who follow them around when I made my previous
comment.... @tychoish's
comments are dead on about all these types of services. Take the
new identi.ca. It suffered some problems after a great deal of
people migrated to it looking for the next Twitter....you can't
expect a brand new service to be able to scale so easily on such a
huge load....
lately i kinda like plurk and i am really interested in seeing
where identi.ca is headed. would like a combination of the two....
as soon as scoble starts to like a service and drags his fanboys
and fangirls in, downward spiral begins..... i can really do
without the VIPwannabes.
Very much agree yoggel - celebrity culture in any circle
absolutely does my head in. That's not what I want from a
microblogging service. Plurk is nice, find myself spending quite a
bit of time there even though the interface annoys me a little. But
I have high hopes for identi.ca and will be keeping a close eye on
that one.
Plurk has it's pluses. But I would love a choice of views. I
can't get in to the time line view. And I really want IM support to
be turned on.
The VIPwannabes don't scare me as much as the masses of sheeple
outside the gate who have yet to discover these new services. The
masses of people who think MySpace is great for instance!
ping.fm and friend feed are, it's becoming increasingly clear,
brute force solutions, that might make "posting" easier, they make
reading more difficult as the contexual/social later is only made
worse by the ad hoc aggregation..
I don't think that picking a garden and staying in it is such a
bad option. or pick three for different spheres. work friends on
twitter, family on jiaku, and friends/etc on pownce. say. this is,
generally how people manage facebook/myspace/bebo/etc.
That's basically what @merlyn has done in this instance.
I'm also not convinced that universal access/broadcast
acomplishes anything of value; if you and your X number of friends
are on Y number of services, except you're all sending out the same
thing to all the services, it takes longer to read, and you might
still miss the dialogue that happens as a result...
@tychoish That makes
perfect sense, except that, the rest of the world doesn't follow
that nice demarcation. e.g. I've got really annoyed at the number
of business messages I've received on facebook, that's what
LinkedIn is for in my universe.
We need an IRC model: Single medium, but multiple channels and
communities. All these different systems are doing my head in.
Maybe I'll follow @merlyn
as well and drop it all except friendfeed (with IM Interface
provided by ping.fm) That will save me time as well
BTW -- if your contacts are not on friendfeed their is an
'imaginary friend' feature so that you can reflect their (e.g.)
jaiku posts into your friendfeed stream
@alecthegeek exactly!
I think the IRC metaphor is really apt (particularly since
comments/etc are very IRC like, and I think that's what people are
really seeking to use these technologies for...) except that IRC
has a really high entry cost, and it's fragmented, and it doesn't
feel like it stays around forever. Where as twitter (or which ever)
is easy to get started with, they've made it grokable, the speech
act is appropriately enduring, and it's just one place.
@bear and I were having a
chat about this yesterday. xmpp could probably be made to do this,
all you'd have to write is a web2.0/desktop client that gives you
procmail like control over the context... and you have to get
people to adopt the technology. simple no? ;)
when I said "post using ping.fm and it goes everywhere I want
including friendfeed" I should have said "post using ping.fm and it
goes everywhere I want including friendfeed, using twitter as there
is no direct ping.fm to friendfeed posting". I have just put in a
feature request to have friendfeed supported in ping.fm
directly
@bugabundo: I think it
goes even deeper than just having XMPP gateways for every site.
Part of the reason why sites fail so much is that everyone
(twitter, identi.ca etc.) are all building websites that are just
artificially shortened blogs, which aren't really very able to
scale to the degree that they need to in order to work in the way
that the users tend to use them. So I think what I was hinting at
was not for something where all the websites had XMPP tacked onto
the side, but more a setup where the websites became outlets
into/gateways for a larger xmpp network.
I think the next microblogging/feed site won't be someone who
"gets twitter right" but rather the first person to get "IRC for
the web/2008" right.
38 comments so far
:-O
1 month, 2 weeks ago by edythemighty.
didn't you hear all the cool cats are on indetica.ca these days.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by jrobertson.
That's @merlyn, always hopping to the newest stuff! :)
1 month, 2 weeks ago by Bishop.
Randal, what appeals to most about FriendFeed? I certainly see some nice things about it but I don't see Jaiku and FriendFeed exclusive of each other. Is this just a case of not being able to be everywhere? I certainly agree with that problem!
1 month, 2 weeks ago by mjohnson.
hehe^^ @bishop, friendfeed is so 2007 ;)
1 month, 2 weeks ago by yoggel.
Shows how much I keep track of these things. I'm always so behind on things. :(
I wanted to get my cook friend to go to the open auditions for Top Chef in L.A. but now I found out they happened two months ago, forgot totally to look up the dates.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by Bishop.
Seems a lot of people are looking for alternates to Jaiku recently though. Not a good sign. :(
1 month, 2 weeks ago by zenith.
Unless the great mass of people I have met and enjoy here on Jaiku move then Jaiku will be a part of my routine for a long time to come, I should think. But I am open minded about the other places sprouting up. It would be nice to see Twitter die though. :)
1 month, 2 weeks ago by mjohnson.
friendfeed has most of what I like about jaiku, and one thing that jaiku lacks: people can join friendfeed. :) Also, Leo Laporte is now liking friendfeed, which means the world of many of my friends will also be there.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by merlyn.
FriendFeed does not have a low end mobile interface to speak of.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by phoneboy.
The friends are important...
1 month, 2 weeks ago by edythemighty.
will you phase up when/if jaiku phases up again?
I agree about the closedness of jaiku at the moment being a huge detractor.
friendfeed is sort of creepy though
1 month, 2 weeks ago by tychoish.
FriendFeed is the next Twitterkiller, FriendFeed is going down as FriendFood.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by ranjaranfella.
all of the next-new-things don't solve the problem with any of the existing services (scale, comparmentalization/context/filtering, offline app support, etc.) so I think the bunny hop continues.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by tychoish.
I have an account at Friendfeed but I rarely use it. It's just never really appealed to me that much. Though Scoble is advocating it, so it must be good right? :D @edythemighty is right though, it's the friends that are the important part. I'm disappointed with Jaiku myself, but as long as the people I've made friends with are still here I'll keep on using it.
Damn, now I'm starting to sound like a Twitter user...
1 month, 2 weeks ago by zenith.
I was also thinking 'bout Scoble and similar "celebrities" and the sheeple who follow them around when I made my previous comment.... @tychoish's comments are dead on about all these types of services. Take the new identi.ca. It suffered some problems after a great deal of people migrated to it looking for the next Twitter....you can't expect a brand new service to be able to scale so easily on such a huge load....
1 month, 2 weeks ago by edythemighty.
lately i kinda like plurk and i am really interested in seeing where identi.ca is headed. would like a combination of the two.... as soon as scoble starts to like a service and drags his fanboys and fangirls in, downward spiral begins..... i can really do without the VIPwannabes.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by yoggel.
Good points everyone. Thanks!
1 month, 2 weeks ago by mjohnson.
Very much agree yoggel - celebrity culture in any circle absolutely does my head in. That's not what I want from a microblogging service. Plurk is nice, find myself spending quite a bit of time there even though the interface annoys me a little. But I have high hopes for identi.ca and will be keeping a close eye on that one.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by zenith.
Plurk has it's pluses. But I would love a choice of views. I can't get in to the time line view. And I really want IM support to be turned on.
The VIPwannabes don't scare me as much as the masses of sheeple outside the gate who have yet to discover these new services. The masses of people who think MySpace is great for instance!
1 month, 2 weeks ago by mjohnson.
Good point Michael. MySpace is an abomination!
1 month, 2 weeks ago by zenith.
Indeed. Multiply rawks! :3
1 month, 2 weeks ago by edythemighty.
haha i have a myspace account. to take my name off the market ;)
1 month, 2 weeks ago by yoggel.
I got a bit carried away there when I suggested identi.ca, I'm just starting out with friendfeed too.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by jrobertson.
Thanks for your feeback. FF wins for me, because it works. That's where I'll be posting in the future, so thanks!
1 month, 2 weeks ago by merlyn.
So, does FriendFeed have a working IM interface? All the microblogs these days seem to be broken because:
1 month, 2 weeks ago by pjf.
Can't use IM on Jaiku? Nonsense, it's the only way to post for me!
1 month, 2 weeks ago by edythemighty.
D'oh! Ignore my mistake there. Twitter and Plurk have IM broken right now. ;) Jaiku's IM works just fine.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by pjf.
I post using ping.fm and it goes everywhere I want including friendfeed. Works via IM, email and web (no SMS). My setup is described here
1 month, 2 weeks ago by alecthegeek.
ping.fm and friend feed are, it's becoming increasingly clear, brute force solutions, that might make "posting" easier, they make reading more difficult as the contexual/social later is only made worse by the ad hoc aggregation..
1 month, 2 weeks ago by tychoish.
@tychoish Until (or even if) the walled gardens come down I don't see many alternatives....
1 month, 2 weeks ago by alecthegeek.
I don't think that picking a garden and staying in it is such a bad option. or pick three for different spheres. work friends on twitter, family on jiaku, and friends/etc on pownce. say. this is, generally how people manage facebook/myspace/bebo/etc.
That's basically what @merlyn has done in this instance.
I'm also not convinced that universal access/broadcast acomplishes anything of value; if you and your X number of friends are on Y number of services, except you're all sending out the same thing to all the services, it takes longer to read, and you might still miss the dialogue that happens as a result...
1 month, 2 weeks ago by tychoish.
@tychoish That makes perfect sense, except that, the rest of the world doesn't follow that nice demarcation. e.g. I've got really annoyed at the number of business messages I've received on facebook, that's what LinkedIn is for in my universe.
We need an IRC model: Single medium, but multiple channels and communities. All these different systems are doing my head in.
Maybe I'll follow @merlyn as well and drop it all except friendfeed (with IM Interface provided by ping.fm) That will save me time as well
1 month, 2 weeks ago by alecthegeek.
BTW -- if your contacts are not on friendfeed their is an 'imaginary friend' feature so that you can reflect their (e.g.) jaiku posts into your friendfeed stream
1 month, 2 weeks ago by alecthegeek.
@alecthegeek exactly! I think the IRC metaphor is really apt (particularly since comments/etc are very IRC like, and I think that's what people are really seeking to use these technologies for...) except that IRC has a really high entry cost, and it's fragmented, and it doesn't feel like it stays around forever. Where as twitter (or which ever) is easy to get started with, they've made it grokable, the speech act is appropriately enduring, and it's just one place.
@bear and I were having a chat about this yesterday. xmpp could probably be made to do this, all you'd have to write is a web2.0/desktop client that gives you procmail like control over the context... and you have to get people to adopt the technology. simple no? ;)
1 month, 2 weeks ago by tychoish.
when I said "post using ping.fm and it goes everywhere I want including friendfeed" I should have said "post using ping.fm and it goes everywhere I want including friendfeed, using twitter as there is no direct ping.fm to friendfeed posting". I have just put in a feature request to have friendfeed supported in ping.fm directly
1 month, 2 weeks ago by alecthegeek.
@tychoish: it would be great to see sites starting to have a XMMP interface for users.
can u imagine, being notified of changes in a site via IM, or a reply in a forum?
It would be so great if EVERY site had a XMMP gateway.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by BUGabundo.
@bugabundo: I think it goes even deeper than just having XMPP gateways for every site. Part of the reason why sites fail so much is that everyone (twitter, identi.ca etc.) are all building websites that are just artificially shortened blogs, which aren't really very able to scale to the degree that they need to in order to work in the way that the users tend to use them. So I think what I was hinting at was not for something where all the websites had XMPP tacked onto the side, but more a setup where the websites became outlets into/gateways for a larger xmpp network.
I think the next microblogging/feed site won't be someone who "gets twitter right" but rather the first person to get "IRC for the web/2008" right.
1 month, 2 weeks ago by tychoish.